http://budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8894c360-76ae-41a5-9417-3924a14c94de How to get this to apply to budget filming...? (trying to keep on topic a bit) If someone is offering you software for "cheap", always be a little suspicious. Usually contacting the manufacturer is enough to find out if they are, in fact, the holder of the license. It's a little like buying a used mobile phone -- just call the carrier and ask if the ESN is clean. It's usually fine to buy secondhand software, as long as you can get the license, otherwise you can cause yourself trouble down the line. Buying software as a student is good as well, and often manufacturers will let you upgrade to a full version from a student version. Sometimes, the student version is identical, just priced at the first-hit-is-cheap price. If you try to buy software from a friend who is a student who will go into the bookstore and buy it for you, be aware that you need to keep ALL their paperwork. The receipt, and any other slips and whatnot the bookstore might give them. If you're not careful, or if you place your trust in the wrong person, you will be out cash, and have software that they've already licensed to themselves. 8( Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:29:50 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8894c360-76ae-41a5-9417-3924a14c94de Edward 2006-08-04T17:29:50Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#c2f8282e-2a46-4fc4-87b2-c2d30f55c267 I guess it wouldn't matter that much, but in every single manual or licensing agreement I've read for software, I've found licensing transfer procedures. And if they weren't in the manual or the agreement, usually contactin the company is enough to get the job done. I breezed through Right Hemisphere's website and they allow for licensing transfers. They seemed pretty cool about it -- just wanted to make sure that you did so properly so they could set all their stuff on their end (I guess your software talks to their server or something). Historically, CAD software has been, well, caddish about such things. They've usually erred on the side of being dicks about licensing. Early Microsoft hardware and software was like that as well, insisting that your copy was really THEIR copy, and that there's no rights to transfer. If you check out the EULA for the old Microsoft Apple ][ Z80 card, they practically claimed they even owned the software you wrote for their Z80 card. It was crazy! CAD licenses are still a bit behind the times because, frankly, not enough people have kicked their high-pressure asses over it. They have all kinds of crazy security, such as hardware dongles and software connections, and other junk (usually the bane of firewalls and virus detectors). These are also folks who charge thousands of dollars for their software. Accounting software's pretty much the same way. Really expensive, really tight. Unix software was like that quite often for the same reason. At first, they COULD be draconian, and no one's pointed out that they suck enough for them to bother changing it officially. But if you contact them, they usually have a way. As far as plug-ins go, well, I really don't know. I haven't dug too deeply into the issue for plug-ins, because usually if the product cost less than a hundred bucks or so, it's usually easier and cheaper to just buy multiple seats. So, maybe they have a draconian policy, or maybe they have leftover draconian language from a boilerplate. Maybe with those folks, you call 'em up, and tell them you want to transfer your software to someone else and they say "well, you promise to delete it from your computer?" and that's all that matters to them. Plug-ins are dribs and drabs. I think in any instance if one thinks one is at all likely to transfer the software to a different owner, then one had best check out the EULA and/or contact the manufacturer and ask their policy. Most of the ones who manufacture software that is reasonably transferrable have a policy for transferring the software. Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:23:56 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#c2f8282e-2a46-4fc4-87b2-c2d30f55c267 Edward 2006-08-04T17:23:56Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#b48a153f-d8eb-404c-a128-99e0bc19e9dc Gosh Edward, Rub it in why don't cha...(boo hoo) Here is some text from 3DSMax Plug-in 2. LICENSE AND TERMS 2.1 CAT grants to the Recipient a non-exclusive non transferable license to Use the Software under the authorized or selected Option. The Recipient accepts this license on the terms of this agreement. Deep Explorer the Deep Exploration product (the "Software"). Licensor hereby grants to You, during the term, a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use Fusion RN hereby grants Licensee a non-exclusive, non-transferable, Microsoft.NET (looks like you can) c. Software Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA, provided that you retain no copies, you transfer all of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT Some you can, some you cant. Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:17:05 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#b48a153f-d8eb-404c-a128-99e0bc19e9dc Randy 2006-08-04T01:17:05Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#02cc8b84-3ca1-4e8d-9459-80a5ece1ba4a Adobe does. I've done it before. Microsoft allows one-time license transfers (for fpp products for home and business use) in a very similar way to the FCP transfer I quoted. That's three I've verified for you. ;) As far as the rest of 'em, behold the Mighty Power of the Internet: http://preview.videosystems.com/mag/video_words_warning/index.html Sometimes the mechanism is awkward, and sometimes there is a small ffee (those people are dicks), but pretty much if you are legally transferring a piece of software, there is probably a mechanism for the transfer of that license. Admittedly, Discreet seem to be rather dickish about Combustion -- they'll let you transfer the license, but you can't upgrade. To upgrade you have to pay full retail. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:25:19 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#02cc8b84-3ca1-4e8d-9459-80a5ece1ba4a Edward 2006-08-02T22:25:19Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#337d2b2f-0f1a-48d8-88a7-b79d527c25ed Well shut my mouth! I know the others I mentioned, and many more, do not allow such transfers. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:10:17 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#337d2b2f-0f1a-48d8-88a7-b79d527c25ed Randy 2006-08-02T22:10:17Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#b0430764-b132-4a67-9c3e-4ec506993141 "Yeah, but read your license. Actually read it." Okay, I don't have a license for FCP, but my editing software DEFINITELY allows for a license to be transferred. It's a bit of a rigamarole, but I've done exactly that -- transferred copies of Premiere to other people. All i had to do was download a form from Adobe, fill it out with my data and the receipient's data, and fax it to them. Voila! So, in the interest of fun, I looked up the EULA for FCP: http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/finalcutpro.htm In particular, from section 3: "3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License. All components of the Apple Software are provided as part of a bundle and may not be separated from the bundle and distributed as standalone applications." So, yes, an FCP license can be transferred. Apple probably has a form for that. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:37:43 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#b0430764-b132-4a67-9c3e-4ec506993141 Edward 2006-08-02T06:37:43Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2baa89eb-3836-475f-8154-38f3d3d66511 Yeah, but read your license. Actually read it. It says that the license is between you and the software company and is non-transferable. I know people do it all the time, but I pretty sure it is non-transferable. That goes for all software, Adobe, Microsoft, Discreet, Alias, Quicktimeetc... If you are basing your company on software that you have purchased used, you may be on fairly shaky grounds legally. I'm no lawyer, but it is in black and white in the license agreement so quickly click OK to. You do have the right to sell the CD or DVD, that is the actual only part of the package that you own. That and the manual and box. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:24:56 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2baa89eb-3836-475f-8154-38f3d3d66511 Randy 2006-08-02T02:24:56Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#44541957-be87-4db0-9fac-d05f17d3307c Have you tried Ebay? Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:38:53 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#44541957-be87-4db0-9fac-d05f17d3307c kc 2006-08-01T21:38:53Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ec28cf37-0a9e-46ab-9e4d-4c8cada55eb6 "I have no idea. I expect it would be pretty whack if you COULDN'T. I mean, people sell software second-hand all the time and a big part of that is transferring the license. " Second hand would be my ideal way to acquire the tools...anyone, anyone out there need to get rid of FC Pro? Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:57:10 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ec28cf37-0a9e-46ab-9e4d-4c8cada55eb6 Leslie 2006-07-28T02:57:10Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8ad80d1a-47c0-485c-8e2b-a253393241a4 " I didn't think you could sell your license." I have no idea. I expect it would be pretty whack if you COULDN'T. I mean, people sell software second-hand all the time and a big part of that is transferring the license. Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:36:45 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8ad80d1a-47c0-485c-8e2b-a253393241a4 Edward 2006-07-27T03:36:45Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ff4019ee-12d9-49d4-9699-df8f444b2f36 I didn't think you could sell your license. Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:24:15 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ff4019ee-12d9-49d4-9699-df8f444b2f36 Randy 2006-07-27T01:24:15Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#7c996594-aec1-4226-aeab-8404ebc6dd6a Yes, like kc says, but you'll have to Reconnect Media to make it work, so hopefully you labeled your original files in a way that makes sense! I've had to reconstruct somebody's else's FCP edit on my own machine and recapture the footage from DV to do it. You just need the original project file and the DV tapes used. FCP does a great job, and fortunately, the Reel settings matched the handwritten numbers on the DV tapes, or it would have been a long, sad process. Label, label, label! Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:31:45 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#7c996594-aec1-4226-aeab-8404ebc6dd6a Allen 2006-07-26T23:31:45Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8108c0c6-1a35-426c-b144-2ba99fd0190e "Can you just transfer a project file from one FC program to another after you have loaded the raw footage on the second machine?" Yes - you can open (pretty much) and FCP file on any machine as long as you have all your data. You can't open an FCP 5 session on FCP 4, for instance, but that's an exception to the rule. Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:31:14 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#8108c0c6-1a35-426c-b144-2ba99fd0190e kc 2006-07-26T21:31:14Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ccf15b65-4a85-4135-bc41-fa6b7519e4a5 Thanks for the great idea about the student discount Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:22:12 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ccf15b65-4a85-4135-bc41-fa6b7519e4a5 Leslie 2006-07-26T15:22:12Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#d8f608bc-fbf9-410c-8b21-7c29e0a4af20 yep Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:21:47 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#d8f608bc-fbf9-410c-8b21-7c29e0a4af20 Leslie 2006-07-26T15:21:47Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#61a9a8b1-4869-400e-b6c5-6e3f0f77806d yep Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:21:35 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#61a9a8b1-4869-400e-b6c5-6e3f0f77806d Leslie 2006-07-26T15:21:35Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ecf64fb8-e8f4-4ce4-b1b4-59c726669976 It cost me $100 to sign up for a community college film class, can get FCP at around 50% off with a student id.. so $700ish vice $1300 for it using that route. You can even get $200 or so off Apple machines with a student ID. Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:46:44 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#ecf64fb8-e8f4-4ce4-b1b4-59c726669976 Chris 2006-07-26T04:46:44Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#4341e0b3-6e92-4410-9603-01f40a79eed0 So you lost the software but you have retained the edited portions, eh. I've never had to move an edit project from one system to another midstream. Can you just transfer a project file from one FC program to another after you have loaded the raw footage on the second machine? Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:44:12 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#4341e0b3-6e92-4410-9603-01f40a79eed0 Danger Girl 2006-07-25T21:44:12Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#0216697f-d301-4585-9582-169ba3c72d89 No, I have all of my files. Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:27:12 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#0216697f-d301-4585-9582-169ba3c72d89 Leslie 2006-07-25T21:27:12Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2eb0e926-b24a-41a1-8bf7-0d094de9d2d7 maybe ebay or Craiglist? Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:09:53 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2eb0e926-b24a-41a1-8bf7-0d094de9d2d7 Danger Girl 2006-07-25T21:09:53Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#cea32938-e651-41af-a3e3-cf3d290cdf78 If you possibly have any academic purchase possibilities, that's probably your best option... Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:00:59 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#cea32938-e651-41af-a3e3-cf3d290cdf78 kc 2006-07-25T21:00:59Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2a9a7c6b-8604-4dae-aa90-3ab64a19b08f With your half finished edit stored on it? Yikes. Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:22:37 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#2a9a7c6b-8604-4dae-aa90-3ab64a19b08f Danger Girl 2006-07-25T17:22:37Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#35504eb0-a05b-4e7c-a17c-00ae40357a3a I was sharing a laptop with friends, but now I have moved to another city and purchased a new laptop and unfortunately this has all happened in the middle of my editing process. Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:11:23 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#35504eb0-a05b-4e7c-a17c-00ae40357a3a Leslie 2006-07-25T17:11:23Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#fbac0dd2-98ff-4c7e-9f47-3ae36a99914b You sold your LICENSE for FCP as well as your laptop? Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:40:13 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#fbac0dd2-98ff-4c7e-9f47-3ae36a99914b Edward 2006-07-25T16:40:13Z http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#e4029505-8c79-45e0-8ed8-78e36b5eac24 I have given up my laptop with my final cut pro software installed on it for a newer mac book pro with no software. I am completing a 100 minute documentary and so acquiring Final Cut Pro (5.0 if possible) is very important :) Does anyone have any suggestions on discounted ways to get final cut pro 5.0? Are there any options for no budget filmmakers who need the tools? Is sharing software an option? Thanks. Peace. Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:39:33 GMT http://Budgetfilming.tribe.net/thread/ebe31e92-b5e1-4c01-aa8f-cafcf7b47ad8#e4029505-8c79-45e0-8ed8-78e36b5eac24 Leslie 2006-07-25T15:39:33Z